02-15-2015, 11:39 AM
(02-15-2015, 09:35 AM)pibedetorres Wrote:(02-15-2015, 06:39 AM)CRIMSONKING Wrote: I have a slight concern about an implementation such as this. What happens to people, who haven't had a chance to use an autoclicker vs those that have. How will they ever come close to catching up to those that have used them in the past, in the rankings. If the concern that this game is a multiplayer game and that scripting is an advantage, what steps will Ray take to even out the playing field. If he doesn't and he implements something such as that, newer players or players who never 'cheated' will stand no chance of ever competing on the rankings. Well, unless ofc, they spend a ton of cash on the game.
If the ranking board doesn't really matter, than 'cheating' shouldn't really be a concern either. As long as people are having fun and playing the game, that's all that should matter. I'm using an autoclicker now, and when I didn't I was falling in the ranking boards. That could be for two reasons, 1) They bought premium content, 2) they used an autoclicker. Since I've had the game on 24/7 there is no third option. I figured heck if others could use it and take advantage, why not follow suit. I personally don't see it as taking advantage, in as much as I see it as levelling the playing field.
If Ray does decide to implement something to alter scripts and autoclickers, he should give out a free reset. While some may argue that if people wanted to 'cheat' and invest their gold and such into auto stats, that they deserve the loss that they chose. It might lead to a lot of quits. Or it may not, though I don't see people trying to play a game that feel as if they were screwed as being fun. I guess we'll have to see what happens.
I'm sorry but I fail to see your point here, with due respect.
You say that if players cannot autoclick anymore, those who didn't autoclick up to now will never be able to catch up with those who did. But this theory has two flaws:
- even if autoclick will still be allowed, those who join the game anytime later will always be unable to catch up with those who started playing earlier, no matter whether the new players are using autoclick or not;
- with that kind of philosophy, whenever on any multiplayer game someone finds an exploitable way to become stronger with means other than the legit ones, rather than having the exploit prevented from happening again should the developers of that game leave the exploit as it is so that those who did not take advantage of it will not be left behind?
Besides this game is considerably new, so I'd rather have a measure against autoclick be taken now even if that means being 50th in ranking instead of 1st because the other 49 used autoclick (not implying that those before me in ranking did that, as I don't always keep my computer on at night).
Autoclicking is pretty much double damage. If a new player used autoclicking and an older player didn't, it's simple math to see that the autoclicker will eventually pass the older player. So for you to say that anyone who joins the game later will always be unable to catch up, has me confused. Unless you meant that a new player who autoclicked still couldn't catch up to an old player who also autoclicked.
As far as the philosophy comment, I don't know. Should the dev allow for a level playing field, or nip a problem in the bud and screw players who didn't abuse it; is up to the dev and what he/she thinks is best for the game. Autoclickers have been in heavy use as far as idle games are concerned, for the dev not to take that into account when making the game is a short sight on his part. To address it now when it should of been addressed on release of the game, makes it a complicated situation. (Sorry for being blunt Ray)
How do you propose to stop 'cheaters' from 'cheating'? Look at all of the idle games to date, 'hackers lol' have and always will find a way to take advantage in the game. At least with an autoclicker, we all have the same advantage at our disposal. If autoclicking is really that much of a problem and Ray has stated before that he can throw up a board for those that have autoclicked (wall of shame), it means that if he really wanted to, he could also ban/delete or suspend those players.
At the end of the day, I play idle games for fun. To see numbers go up and to make new friends. If this games main concern is to have a leader board, and to be considered more of a serious game with rules and punishments in place, then that's fine as well. At that point however, it would lose it's charm to me as something I did for fun. Others ofc, may enjoy that but to each their own.