The ultimate pet suggestion

[lp9]

Hey there, lp9 here. This is my idea on how to essentialy make pets usefull in the game again.

This suggestion will consist of 3 new concepts:

1. New pet levels, different from the current level system for pets

2. Pet skills (Passive and Active skills)

3. Special Perks

Pet Levels

So, what are pet levels? Pet levels will basically make your pets ''secondary characters''. They will work the same as regular player levels, but with different exp requirements for each level. You will be able to gain more pet levels by getting Pet Experience. You will be able to get pet experience from 2 sources:

1. The Pet arena
2. 5% from regular exp goes to pet experience (For players who are above lvl 200, the pre-inferno exp gain formula will be used)
   

Each level you gain will give your pet 1 skill point.  Skill points will be used to upgrade your passive skills. You will continue to gain skill points normally untill pet level 300. After level 300, you will only get a skill point once per 5 pet levels.

Pet Skills

Passive skills

Passive skills will increase a pet's base stats. Here is a list of all the passive skills, what they do and how many skill points they cost:

1. Strenght - Adds a +5% additive damage boost per level                                                       Cost: 1 SP (skill point for short)  Cap: infinite            
2. Vitality - Adds a +2% additive health boost per level                                                            Cost: 1 SP                                Cap: infinite
3. Toughness - Adds a +1% damage reduction boost per level                                                  Cost: 2 SP                                Cap: 50
4. Agility - Adds a +1% speed boost per lvl                                                                             Cost: 2 SP                                Cap: 100
5. Regeneration - Regenerates 1% of Max. health per turn (Works in pet arena only)                  Cost: 10 SP                               Cap: 5
6. Critical Strenght - Adds a +5% additive critical damage boost per level                                   Cost: 1 Sp                                Cap: 50
7. Energy - Adds a +2% additive mana* boost per level                                                           Cost: 1 SP                                Cap: infinite
   

*mana - This is going to be a new stat for your pet. Mana will be used to cast active skills while battling monsters

Active skills

Active skills will help you defeat monsters both outside and inside of the pet arena. Here are the list of all the active skills, what they do and how much mana they use up (Keep in mind that all the skills are at level 1):

1. Blast - Deals 250% pet damage                                                                                              Cost: 15 mana         CD: 5 turns (or 15 sec.)
2. Heal - Heals 5% of max. health                                                                                              Cost: 30 mana          CD: 10 turns
3. Guard - Take 25% less damage for 5 turns (works in pet arena only)                                         Cost: 50 mana          CD: 15 turns
4. Warcry - Do 50% more damage for 5 turns (or 10 seconds outside of pet arena)                         Cost: 50 mana          CD: 15 turns (or 45 sec.)
5. Focus - Restore 10% mana                                                                                                    Cost: 0 mana           CD: 15 turns (or 45 sec.)
6. Stun - 33% chance to stun the enemy for 3 turns (or 6 seconds outside of pet arena)                  Cost: 30 mana         CD: 20 turns
7. Critical boost - +65% critical damage boost for 5 turns ( or 10 seconds outside of pet arena)        Cost: 25 mana         CD: 15 turns (or 45 sec.)
   

As i said earlier, all values are shown at level 1. You can level up skills with pet points. Max. skill level is 30.

Pet Perks

Pet perks are special upgrades that you get once your pets reach a certain pet level and evolution tier. We will call this a tier. You will be able to only choose one perk per tier , so choose wisely. Here is the list of all the perks:

Tier 1 - Unlocked at Pet level 10. Pets: Snakes or higher

• Extra training food I - +2 training food
• Extra pet points I - +10% extra pet points
  

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Tier 2 - Unlocked at Pet level 20. Pets: Bats or higher

• Extra pet arena food I - +10% pet arena food
• Extra pet damage I - +25% multiplicative damage boost
  

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Tier 3 - Unlocked at Pet level 30. Pets: Bad Wabbits or higher

• Extra training food II - +3 training food
• Extra pet experience I - +10% pet experience
  

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Tier 4 - Unlocked at Pet level 40. Pets: Viruses or higher

• Extra pet points II - +10% extra pet points
• Extra skill points I - +10 extra skill points
  

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Tier 5 - Unlocked at Pet level 50. Pets: Rhinos or higher

• Extra pet arena food II - +10% pet arena food
• Extra training food III - +4 training food
  

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Tier 6 - Unlocked at Pet level 65. Pets: Rhinos or higher

• Extra pet damage II - +25% multiplicative damage boost
• Extra pet experience II - +10% pet experience
  

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Tier 7 - Unlocked at Pet level 80. Pets: Robobees or higher

• Extra pet points III - +10% extra pet points
• Extra skill points II - +15 extra skill points
  

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Tier 8 - Unlocked at Pet level 100. Pets: Robobees or higher

• Extra pet arena food III - +15% pet arena food
• Extra stat boost I - +10% to all stats (damage, health, speed, mana)
  

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Tier 9 - Unlocked at Pet level 125. Pets: Brainfesters or higher

• Extra pet damage III - +25% multiplicative damage boost
• Extra pet experience III - +15% pet experience
• Reduced training time I - -10% time on pet training
  

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Tier 10 - Unlocked at Pet level 150. Pets: Brainfesters or higher

• Extra pet points IV - +20% extra pet points
• Extra skill points III - +20 extra skill points
• Reduced training time II - -15% time on pet training
  

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Tier 11 - Unlocked at Pet level 175. Pets: Clockworks or higher

• Extra pet arena food IV - +15% pet arena food
• Extra training food IV - +7 training food
• Extra stat boost II - +10% to all stats
  

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Tier 12 - Unlocked at Pet level 200. Pets: Clockworks or higher

• Extra pet damage IV - +25% multiplicative damage boost
• Extra pet experience IV - +15% pet experience
• Extra pet points V - +25% extra pet points
• Extra skill points IV - +25 extra skill points
  

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Tier 13 - Unlocked at Pet level 233. Pets: T-rexes or higher

• Extra pet arena food V - +25% pet arena food
• Extra training food V - +10 training food
• Extra stat boost III - +10% to all stats
  

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Tier 14 - Unlocked at Pet level 266. Pets: T-rexes or higher

• Extra pet damage V - +25% multiplicative damage boost
• Extra pet experience V - +20% pet experience
• Extra stat boost IV - +10% to all stats
  

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Tier 15 - Unlocked at Pet level 300. Pets: Eternal Wyrms or higher

• Ultimate pet arena food - +50% pet arena food
• Ultimate training food - +12 training food
• Ultimate pet points - +50% extra pet points
• Ultimate skill points - +35 skill points
• Ultimate pet damage - +100% multiplicative damage boost
• Ultimate pet experience - +50% pet experience
• Ultimate reduced training time - -25% time on pet training time
• Ultimate stat boost - +35% to all stats
• Decreased feed requirement - -25% feed to next level.
  

With these perks alone, there are over 2+ million different ways you can choose your perks, so no two pets will ever be the same!

Note: Every value shown here doesn't have to like this. If Ray considers this idea, he can freely change all the values, this is just an example of how this idea could work.

What do you guys think? Would you want to see this idea in the game? Write down your opinions below!

[vosavo]

Well you clearly took a chunk of your time coming up with this!


Got some questions on some things if you don't mind:

How would pet food & training work?
Does it just give a much bigger bonus compared to the 5% gain from the players regular gains?

How would active skills be used?
With the already 1-2-3-4-5-6 would these active skills move into Q-W-E-R.. ?
It could be very tedious having to push that many buttons in challenges.

Is everything in the PP Shop the same?
Is the pets Base Damage the same / per level & tier?
-  I'd assume these two values would just be played with until it's balanced¿.

Some of these are questionable as they don't really work with iou.
Ex/ Stun (active skill), that could ONLY help in pet arena, disabling him for x turns.
I'd assume that would just have to increase the kill timer outside of pet arena? Would have to change the name of that if so.


I'm hesitant with how the 'pet levels' work, balancing that for all players would be a nightmare ¿. (The exp gain)
Still like it, but.. would likely need a lot of buffs/nerfs to things as it's a huge change requiring tons of values.

[Mythic]

Well it's an interesting suggestion, and  I like most of it. Number one problem is I don't see the Pet Level system changing, not for a long time.

I can see almost all the Passive Skills come into play, but the Active Skills I can only see some of them coming into play, and most likely they well be only one time use per opponent in the arena, and any other Pet only activities to come.

The Pet Perks are great, and could be added into the game right away, using the current pet leveling system you would get to choose a perk every time a pet changes tier/ 10th pet level maxed out. Some of the perks would have to change, and I would like a way to reset perks, which could be limited to once every 2 days or more, so once you reset a timer starts to count down to the next time you can reset.

[lp9]

(02-22-2016, 01:51 AM)vosavo Wrote: Well you clearly took a chunk of your time coming up with this!


Got some questions on some things if you don't mind:

How would pet food & training work?
The training food perk gives more food per training. If you chose all the training perks, you would get 38 more food per each training you complete. That sounds very op, but you would be losing out on all the damage boost, plus it takes a very long time to get to wyrms, so after you reach the final tier, all that food you would be getting would become useless unless new tiers of pets were added.


As for the pet food perk, It could work like this:

Lets say that you have a 10% pet arena food boost

When you beat the 1st oponnent, you would get 1 * 1.1 = 1.1 food. The extra 0.1 would add up, and after 10 fights, you would have 11 food instead of 10. Thats how i see this working, though if this ends up impossible to implement, i would have to think of a other way to do the food boost.


Does it just give a much bigger bonus compared to the 5% gain from the players regular gains?
Pet exp is 5% from normal gains, so for example, if you were getting 1,000,000 exp per each killed monster, that would mean 50,000 pet exp per kill

How would active skills be used?
The same as the skills the player has.


With the already 1-2-3-4-5-6 would these active skills move into Q-W-E-R.. ?
Yeah, i dont see why you couldn't use QWER....

It could be very tedious having to push that many buttons in challenges.
Yeah, didn't think about that one when making this thread :p

Is everything in the PP Shop the same?
Yes.

Is the pets Base Damage the same / per level & tier?
Yeah, pet levels don't increase the base damage, the passvie skills and perks do.

-  I'd assume these two values would just be played with until it's balanced¿.

Some of these are questionable as they don't really work with iou.
Ex/  Stun (active skill), that could ONLY help in pet arena, disabling him for x turns.
I'd assume that would just have to increase the kill timer outside of pet arena?  Would have to change the name of that if so.


I'm hesitant with how the 'pet levels' work, balancing that for all players would be a nightmare ¿. (The exp gain)
Still like it, but.. would likely need a lot of buffs/nerfs to things as it's a huge change requiring tons of values.

Yeah, getting the numbers right will be hard, but if it's possible to balance all the values, this idea would be a great addition to pets.

Some of the skills are designed to only work in the arena, as what would be the point of stunning an enemy if the player doesnt have any hp or regenerating pet health while battling regular monsters, who dont do any damage

[Brouwer]

I will go through all suggestions, but without quoting.

1. Pet Levels is what I was thinking as well. But my idea was that the exp formula and req are independant and are based on pet's tier and level, possibly adjusted by support bonus.

Anyway, pets with their own lvl system is what I would like to see.

2. Skills. Passive ones look nice. Although I wouldn't call the source of power mana, but that is just my personal point of view (I'd call it pet's rage).

Active ones are mostly overpowered when one take into account that they can be leveled. The stats that you've presented would be good for skill lvl 5-10+, not lvl 1. And "focus" is just one big NO.

3. Perks. Generally speaking they allow nice customization of your pet's growth and stats, but most of those perks are way too OP. Like +X training food. This is just a NO NO NO.

Instead of one-time-selected perk per each tier I'd consider a tree of perks and the possiblity of respecs. Because one build made early can fail late and in case of balance changes your perks may make your pet so much weaker/stronger.

Basic idea is nice, but there are many things requiring balancing. For instance it is pretty obvious that in long run +XX% PP is better than +25% pet dmg bonus. Could also be that +X training > +XY% pet food early, but the reverse inequality later and you realize respec is required.


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You should also do the math checking how strong/weak the pet becomes vs your auto/click dmg and how fast can it grow/etc. If you haven't, blind suggestions won't work well. :/

[Wildfire2099]

I think you guys are overthinking it. I think all it takes it to make the crit/double skills for pets comparable to what you get for your regular attack... heck, just make the regular attack skills apply to the pets.

Get rid of PP all together, just build it in to the damage progression. Done. Maybe add another 1-2% increase per inferno level. Addiing in other stuff could be fun and interesting, but first off pets need to be relevant again.